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neilldavidson
02-02-2009, 07:57 AM
Howdy Hunters! I visited three different hog hunting outfitters over the weekend andI discovered that all of them were very concerned about the Texas Animal Health Commission. In fact, one of the outfitters was recently shut down for two weeks by the commission and lost several thousand dollars before he could re-open. Apparently, an agent told him that he would have to test every one of the hogs on his property for Brucellosis and pseudorabies before he could reopen. Have youheard any similar stories about the TAHC?Also, what are your thoughts on the commissionand the power it wields over hog hunting?

HogMan
02-02-2009, 08:45 AM
I dont see how in the world any one could ever expect you to be able to test all of your hogs for anything. Unless you are running a breading program with a high fence, there would be no way of doing that. My ranch isnt high fenced and I have hundreds of hogs running through it. The is no way I could test them unless I trapped every single hog tested them then tagged them.





To high fence my ranch I would have to dump hundreds of thousands of dollars in just material alone, not to mention what it would cost in labor.





Then spend every day for a year trying to trap each one of them. Well thats not going to happen.





That is stupid and unreasonable.

dawgkllr
02-02-2009, 10:57 AM
Just my .02 but this is another government commission that is out of control trying to justify their existance. We've all seen it time and time again! Let me stop and say........In no way am I some out of control radical bent on saying that any government is to much government. I say that those in charge of some of these positions just need to be held more accountable for their actions........Just look at the recent bailouts, or the bumbling actions by the CPS in West Texas and many many more!


This screams of yet another government agency over reacting and using the reason of "we know whats best for you".


Sorry for the rant but to many years of dealing with some of these idiots has soured me just a little bit!


Mike (stepping off of my soapbox now)

nate
02-02-2009, 12:03 PM
Because of the tach regs, Ihave started getting rid of my hogs. Tach is bad for business. They are a bunch of idots being led by a bigger idiot who has no clue about how game ranches are helping to keep the hog population at bay. They passed some regs last year that all but put a beatin' on hog hunting ranches like mine.





tach is very bad!!!http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/thumbdown.gifhttp://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/thumbdown.gifhttp://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/thumbdown.gif

justincorbell
02-02-2009, 01:05 PM
I have not heard of tach but one thing i do know is that the so called "government" "run by the people" is turning into a monster and i dont see it stopping anytime soon......one thing i do believe is that hog hunting.......at least with dogs is not going to be around much longer due to all of the tree huggin yahoo's running around these days, but I can promise you the sooner that these regulations are set forth the sooner that the government will realize how important us hunters (dog hunters or not)help to control themass amounts of destructionthat these animals cause and that there is no other way to control them.....and hopefully it will be enought for someone in the gov. to make the right call...........this is just my opinion and nothing more but i do believe that there is some truth to it.........i hope i dont affend anyone but id like to know ya'lls opinions so please reply.

dawgkllr
02-02-2009, 01:11 PM
I say we all just sit back and quit killin/ trappin hogs for about a year and when hogs are rooting up the rose garden at the white house then all regulations/ bans and everything else will be lifted LOLhttp://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/lol.gif

justincorbell
02-03-2009, 12:30 PM
hahahahahaha

highwaycop63
02-04-2009, 03:51 AM
Lesson learned uphere in the state of Mass. they banned fur trapping and guess what they have a nice out brake of rabies. If we dont control the popluation as trappers and hunters nature will in a worse way. Great how paper pushers find away to justify there jobs its only going to get worse. one law after another Now in thetown next to me in NY they want to pass a law that kids have to wear helmets while sleigh ridng you got to be kidding.( helps us we need more lawswe areto stupid to protect ourselves) Ok I'll stop its Obamanation for sure

1Speedtrap
02-05-2009, 01:19 PM
dawgkllr (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=dawgkllr) wrote...

I say we all just sit back and quit killin/ trappin hogs for about a year and when hogs are rooting up the rose garden at the white house then all regulations/ bans and everything else will be lifted LOLhttp://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/lol.gif


DANG!!! I hope I'm not one of those people......I thought you were going to the lease to check my cameras...LOL

herefishy
02-06-2009, 06:17 AM
I think that the testing only applies to hogs that are trapped and relocated for (hunting) purposes - stocking.





http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/pr/2008/2008May_WildHogRules.pdf





To my understanding, any feral swine that are trapped for relocation, must be held at a designated facilty for testing/observation prior to being relocated to another property.





Theimplication that a TAHC official told someone that all the existing feral hogs had to be tested just doens't make sense. There must be some misunderstanding. Is the propery owner/operator introducing swine onto his property from another location (previously trapped?) without going through the isolation process at an approved facility?








Mark

aggiebowhunter
02-06-2009, 08:53 AM
Ive been watching this thread for awhile now and I really didnt want to get into it but here it is. We were one of the two ranches they put a hold on, weve been to Austin and back talked to a pile of Dr.s and lawyers and Sunset committe etc. etc. Basically tired of talking about it all. So..





Testing is just about no longer an issue.





Basically we have worked with TAHCto change the law. A game ranch is now a terminal destination. Therefore "approved" ranches, hunting preserves etc. can stock their places with boar hogs only. Sows & gilts are not to be used in a stocked area for hunting other than your natural population. Released boars are to be tagged and records be kept on.





Pain in the ass... yes. Were still in business which is better than the alternative they wanted to impose on us.





Randy

herefishy
02-06-2009, 01:14 PM
Thanks for that, Randy.





In regard to the effort and expense for the game ranch, one must consider the objective of the regulations. Imagine the impact on your business if the Livestock market went to into the basket because of a burcellosis outbreak in commerciallivestock(on top of the current market meltdown / recession /depression). There might be much less business for sport, if the beef/pork industry in Texas was affected by the negligent transportation and handling of the wildlife. Kinda' like shooting yourself in the foot.





Socially, if sport hunters/game ranchersrelocating wild swine were pointed out as the cause of the devestation of the Livestock market in Texas, that would be another notch against the gun-toting sportsman, firearmsin particular,and an attack against our liberty.





In terms of performing a duty to the public, IMO, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department and the TAHC are the most effective government agencies in the Nation - definitely in the State of Texas. I think that these agencies truly serve the public and the industries that are affected by their activities to the benefit of each.








Kind Regards,





Mark

herefishy
02-06-2009, 01:50 PM
oops - posted in wrong thread - sorry








Mark

nate
02-06-2009, 02:27 PM
herefishy (http://texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=herefishy) wrote...


I think that the testing only applies to hogs that are trapped and relocated for (hunting) purposes - stocking.





http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/pr/2008/2008May_WildHogRules.pdf





To my understanding, any feral swine that are trapped for relocation, must be held at a designated facilty for testing/observation prior to being relocated to another property.





Theimplication that a TAHC official told someone that all the existing feral hogs had to be tested just doens't make sense. There must be some misunderstanding. Is the propery owner/operator introducing swine onto his property from another location (previously trapped?) without going through the isolation process at an approved facility?








Mark



Do you like hunting hogs Mark?Do you have a place to go that is free or extremely cheap?Well, thousands of folks do not have a place to go that is cheap or free. So they must go to a ranch. Before tach got involved, ranchers could keep prices fairly low. After tach got involved and stated ranchers like my self had to have hogs tested, the price had to jump to cover cost of testing. This put many ranches out of business. Now, buyers are paying next to nothing because trappers can't really go anywhere else.







Case in point....A buddy of mine tried to sell a 340 lb boarwith 4" cuttersto a buyer who offered him 20 cents/pound. Iwould have paid 50-75 cents/pound for the hog but then Inow have to have him blood tested at an extra $250.00. Now, how can Iafford to stay in business?

herefishy
02-06-2009, 02:45 PM
Hi Nate,





Yes, I have HOGFEVER.





Yes, I hunt relatively cheaply on public lands andonNational Forests.





Personally,I would not pay a wooden nickle for a "canned" hog hunt (or any other game) on a high-fenced game ranch in Texas, but I realize that there is a big market and demand for it - it is a legitimate business that is a tangible figure in the Texas economy, but I am not a prospect. I have respect for the business model.





Myself being a businessman, you charge to cover your costs and realize a profit. If your expenses go up - you increase your price. In a sense, the increased activity to satisfy the requirements to insure the (security of the commercial market of Texas Livestock) is a tax. It is a tax that is incurred by every participant in the (game ranch) hunting market. The field is even... raise your price and cover your cost / taxes.





The guys that are going to stay in business in the game ranch industryrealize this basic business principle - the ones that don't get it will go out of business, griping asthey headout the door. Or worst case, someone inadvertantly mis-handles wild game in a manner that affects someone's livestock, and puts everyone out of business.





Regards,





Mark

herefishy
02-06-2009, 02:55 PM
After tach got involved and stated ranchers like my self had to have hogs tested, the price had to jump to cover cost of testing.



That I can recall, the testing only dealt with relocated boars. Sows and gilts cannot be relocated.





That is my understanding... that if you have an existing (native) and migrant population of wild swine you are NOTsubject to catching and testing every critter that crosses your fence.





If you are importing (relocated) wild swine, you must contain the critters, and inadvertant escape or release of the critters from your property is (a problem).





I just don't understand any problems with the regulations... it only deals with relocation of animals... correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see anything else in the rules that I have observed.





Regards,





Mark

herefishy
02-06-2009, 03:22 PM
Case in point....A buddy of mine tried to sell a 340 lb boarwith 4" cuttersto a buyer who offered him 20 cents/pound. Iwould have paid 50-75 cents/pound for the hog but then Inow have to have him blood tested at an extra $250.00. Now, how can Iafford to stay in business?








You would've paid <$0.75 per pound for the 340# boar = <$255.00





You could've bought it for $0.20 per pound ($68.00) plus the $250.00 for the testing.... $318.00... which is about a 20% increase in the cost of the (product).





Well, it seems that you are being taxed 20%, so raise your pricing accordingly. I would suggest that you realize a premium on your expense, so a 25% increase at least if you charge a trophy fee (by the pound), or maybe a 15% blanket cost in your hunts would be appropriate if you do not charge by the head.





Everyone else is incurring the same costs (those that provide the same service that you do).





There, you're back in business.








Regards,





Mark

herefishy
02-06-2009, 05:27 PM
One thing that may be forgotten here, is that the wildlife and naturail resources of the State of Texas are the property of the citizens of the State of Texas. The boar that you are compalining about having to test to relocate to your personal property, for your personal gain is essentially "my" boar, as a citizen of the State of Texas.





Althoughbeit, that the boar is non-indegeonous and not regulated, unlike the white-tailed deer for example, nonetheless subject to the same jurisdiction as a resource under the Consititution of the State of Texas.





As citizen and sportsman, I find the regulations set forth by the TAHC to be reasonable and responsible in assuring the future of the game ranch industry, and the commerical Livestock industry, cumulatively.








Regards,





Mark

dawgkllr
02-07-2009, 10:20 AM
I got an idea for all the game ranches...............Put up a sign on your front gate advertizing Hawg Resort and Hotel.When the health department shows up and starts askin questions just tell them that you dont know how they got there but they must have seen the sign and wanted to check it out. Then tell em its kinda like the Hotel California........they can check in but they can never leave (at least alive).


This should confuse the government officials long enough for your hunters to clear out your current inventory then the next time they show up you can reply "what hogs? We got no stinkin hogs here!"





On a serious note.................





We, the citizens of this great state as well as every other state in this country will continue to have to put up with being railroaded by our government http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/silenced.gifuntil we collectively decide to change those in office that are idiots, paid off and in office for their own gain!http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/wall.gif

herefishy
02-07-2009, 10:32 AM
Hi Dawgkllr,





I agree somewhat with your political statment, however the problem is not with any State agency, it is the illegal Centralized federal Government that illegally and unconstitutionally confiscates the labor of the citizen ofsuch State, and therefore distracts the state by concentrateing the efforsts of the citizens of the statesto recover the prior confiscation of their wages.





Of course any recovery only occurs after the top is skimmed in order to finance the US World Empire... or at best the interest payments on the $10,000,000,000,000.00 of debt... soon to be $11,000,000,000,000.00 of debt.





The federal government is holding the state hostage to recover the labor that it has absconded with from it's citizens. This is the crime.





TPWD and TAHC are doing the inverse and protecting personal property and civil liberties. You are being purposefully distracted from the true violation of your liberties... WAKE UP!








Peace











regards,





Mark

squirt
02-07-2009, 10:41 AM
I have some choice words for tahc, but due to a level of professionalism, and my respect and admiration for this site, I choose not to do so. But I will say this to the brothers of this site; if you transport swine illegally, DO NOT POST IT HERE. TACH has officials monitoring hog-hunting sites (Kyotee1 from texashuntingforums.com) He works with them. I wouldn't care if h was Rick Perry, if I pay for a license every year, it gives me the right to elminate hogs. Be careful Brothers, The Powers That Be are watching.

howie1968
02-07-2009, 10:50 AM
who is going to be dumb enough to stick hands in and get blood from a wild hog??? that is insane i agree they are a bunch of idiots who know nothing about hogs or hog hunting or game management i have alot of friends who own game ranches and there are no commercial hog farms even remotely in the area also on cattle farms i cant tell you how many hogs ive culled in cattle feield that has nothing to do with game ranches game ranches are not the threat they do way more good then how they are being restricted by TAHC


name a documented case of where those diseases showed up in the last 5 yearas i havent heard of one yet!!! name a hog farm thaty was wiped out in texas?? i havent heard of one

howie1968
02-07-2009, 10:52 AM
TAHC can montitor me all they wont i wont bow down nor let them dictate me like i said they are clueless im with the law.... and yes i can and will state my opinion and beliefs

herefishy
02-07-2009, 10:59 AM
http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/pr/2001/101Texas_Herd_Count.pdf

squirt
02-07-2009, 11:10 AM
Howie, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. what i meant bro, is if anyone on this site decides to transport swine, ILLEGALLY please don't post what you're doing. People do it and not know its illegal. We just don't need heat from the "folks". My post wasn't directed to you bro. I think we were posting at the same time.

howie1968
02-07-2009, 11:52 AM
Squirt its cool bro its just this has been an ongoing battle for so long with no closure ya know im not agains rules at all, i have many many friends who have invested life savings on game ranches i have many more who make suplemental income off trapping and i promise none of them are wealthy because of it. there are a few companies making lots of money off feral swine and it is not us just like game ranches they are making am killing either most are breaking even andf some are a little ahead this has been aergued alot over the last couple years the problem that we have is all uniting towards a goal no one can make up there mind on what needs to be done when we had a good oppurtunity to make a showing all but a few backed out and left a few fighting for us and ill be honest i backed out as i was fighting for my life.

nate
02-07-2009, 01:48 PM
Ithink some folks around here have their head burried in the sand. Iread talk about trasporting wild hogs being the problem. The wild hogs are local 1st of all and since most game ranches don't raise live stock, wouldn't make since to take the hogs there where they end up in someones cooler?





Oh yeah, how can Idebate with someone who has the mind set like thinking a high fenced hunt is a canned hunt? You obviously havn't done much hunting or you have lucked into a high success rate in the free range department. Truth is, a high fenced animal can be way more trickey to get an arrow into than a free range animal. Trouble with your kind of thinking,is that is one sided and misguided.

dawgkllr
02-08-2009, 06:03 AM
Ok, I have just finished printing and laminating signs to go on all border fences of our land advising the hogs that they will be in violation for TAHC regulations if they enter or exit our property. Of course since most hogs are incapable of reading (much like our government officials are incapable of thinking) I will be forced to develop picture type signs along the lines of a pic of a hog and a fence with a circle around it and a slash thru it. Come to think of it maybe I should create a sign along the same lines for our government officials.


I wonder how so many people in this country survived for so long before we had so many government officials looking out for our well being? Has anyone ever given consideration to the fact that our government officials are so over regulating our food sources that it is weakening our imune system to the point that what would have made one of our ancestors burp or given them a mild case of the green apple quickstep would put someone today in the hospital with a case of dysentary (sp?)?


Geez folks! at this rate our kids and their kids are gonna have to live in plastic bubbles and breath in pure oxygen in order to survive! I say throw a fresh cut (and rinsed) venison or pork steak on an open fire pit, cook it until its DONE and enjoy it the way the good Lord intended and to heck with all of the bleeding heart crybabies screaming that we're all gonna die from some disease!


Ok, retreating now back to my corner and placing my soapbox back on the shelf!http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/whistle.gif

aggiebowhunter
02-08-2009, 09:11 AM
dawgkllr (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=dawgkllr) wrote...


I got an idea for all the game ranches...............Put up a sign on your front gate advertizing Hawg Resort and Hotel.When the health department shows up and starts askin questions just tell them that you dont know how they got there but they must have seen the sign and wanted to check it out. Then tell em its kinda like the Hotel California........they can check in but they can never leave (at least alive).


This should confuse the government officials long enough for your hunters to clear out your current inventory then the next time they show up you can reply "what hogs? We got no stinkin hogs here!"





On a serious note.................





We, the citizens of this great state as well as every other state in this country will continue to have to put up with being railroaded by our government http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/silenced.gifuntil we collectively decide to change those in office that are idiots, paid off and in office for their own gain!http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/wall.gif











Because you will have to pay hotel and motel tax then.





In all truth state of Texas is looking into ranches as a source of income for hotel and motel tax. Even if you give lodging for free as part of the hunt. Its about a dollar a person a night. More fun from the state of Texas.

catchrcall
02-08-2009, 09:36 AM
If you can't tell the difference between a canned hunt and a high fence hunt, you may want to do a little research. I consider a canned hunt to be one where a caged animal is released in plain sight of the shooter and killed. A high fence hunt is something else completely. They can be extremely challenging. I've hunted a few ranches and tracked on a couple and if you think it's a gimme hunt, my opinion is that your mistaken. Also, on the statement that a trapper is in effect selling "your" hog, again, I think you are mistaken. If myself and my dogs legally and with permission catch a wild hog, then it is mine, to do with asI see fit, within the limits of the law. I am not selling anything that belongs to someone else, that would make me a thief. If somebody else wants a hog they are jolly well welcome to go and get their own, just like I did.

dawgkllr
02-08-2009, 10:50 AM
catchrcall (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=catchrcall) wrote...


If you can't tell the difference between a canned hunt and a high fence hunt, you may want to do a little research. I consider a canned hunt to be one where a caged animal is released in plain sight of the shooter and killed. A high fence hunt is something else completely. They can be extremely challenging. I've hunted a few ranches and tracked on a couple and if you think it's a gimme hunt, my opinion is that your mistaken. Also, on the statement that a trapper is in effect selling "your" hog, again, I think you are mistaken. If myself and my dogs legally and with permission catch a wild hog, then it is mine, to do with asI see fit, within the limits of the law. I am not selling anything that belongs to someone else, that would make me a thief. If somebody else wants a hog they are jolly well welcome to go and get their own, just like I did.



Catchrcall, I totally agree with you on the canned hunt vs high fence hunt unless its a 100 acre high fence place thats overstocked and barren of any natural cover. I hunted next to a high fence ranch in Palo Pinto, Texas when I was growing up and I can asure you it was fair chase for all game. I have also seen high fence operations so overstocked that the game had no choice but to strip every piece of reachable vegitation just to survive. These are just a couple of variations of game management and ethical business practices one good and one bad.




With regards to trapping or catching I agree too, if a land owner wants hogs removed from his property then I say thats a golden opportunity to get in there and do what you love doing!





All said I guess we should just hush and do what were told since big brother knows what's best for us and we will all live safe, healthy, happy lives in the land of milk and honey if we just do what were told to do! LOLhttp://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

herefishy
02-08-2009, 12:48 PM
http://www.aasv.org/shap/issues/v16n6/v16n6p312.htm

howie1968
02-08-2009, 03:12 PM
And what is your occupation??? im sure you work for TAHC always has to be someone trying to stir up a good forumn it never fails!

nate
02-09-2009, 09:11 AM
howie1968 (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=howie1968) wrote...


And what is your occupation??? im sure you work for TAHC always has to be someone trying to stir up a good forumn it never fails!











I'm with you Howie...Ithink Mark is a tach employee and hates ranch owners.http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

dawgkllr
02-09-2009, 03:36 PM
TAHC!!!!!............GETAROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahaha

Roscoe
02-14-2009, 03:32 AM
Interesting thread. I'm fortunate enough to have a place to hunt with hogs and love to do so. Never done any trapping, but have thought abut trying it...Just was not sure what the heck I'd do if I lucked up and caught a bunch of'em. http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/mrgreen.gif





I hear you guys on tahc and understand most of the sentiment. I have a question though, do you guys think there should any regulation on the trapping and mainly the release of hogs at all. I'm not trying to start anything, it's a serious question.





Thanks guys!http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/angel.gif


Roscoe

herefishy
02-14-2009, 03:56 AM
The link that I pasted below is a sample study of 7 or 8 texas counties for disease in feral swine:





http://www.aasv.org/shap/issues/v16n6/v16n6p312.htm





Every county sampled demonstrated PRV infection in the feral swine herd. Not so much Brudellosis, or PRRSV but there are instances in several of the sample counties. See the chart.





This is the reasoning for the regulations on relocation - in order to prevent the relocation of the diseases in consideration of the possibletransmission of such diseases to the (Rancher's)commercial livestock market.





I am not in this post making any statements or otherwise offering my opinion on the subject. The question as it posed in the previous post is VERY broad, and there are many different aspects of the regulations as it applies to the several industries that are affected by it.





I only offer the information.








Regards,





Mark

squirt
02-14-2009, 04:11 AM
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squirt
02-14-2009, 04:14 AM
Hey guys, ya'll raise up off of Mark. He's just like all of us. He's no hater and HE DOES NOT work for any Government Agency. I know him personally. He hunts just like the rest of us. I admit that at times he does sound like a college professor, but this dude is cooler than the flip side of your bedroom pillow. Lets get along. We reserve the right to post our opinions and views. Not everyone will agree, however, if you don't dig something someone says; let it go. Handle that thru a pm. Can't let ya'll double up on the guy like that.

Roscoe
02-14-2009, 09:43 AM
herefishy (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=herefishy) wrote...


The question as it posed in the previous post is VERY broad,











Actuallly it is not a broad question, nor a loaded question, is it what it is ....a SIMPLE question. Do the folks who have replied in this thread think there needs to be ANY regulation on the trapping and release of pigs? If someone wants to answer witha"yes" and go further with their thoughts, that's fine. A simple "no" is ok too. We're not making policy here, we're exchanging ideas/opinions. http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

herefishy
02-14-2009, 09:58 AM
I think that the State of Texas has a responsibility to protect the commerce (commercial livestock) that it's citizens are engaged in for livelihood.





Regardless of whether or not what is NOWoccuring is productive or damaging - I just am of the opinion that the DUTY is inherently there, for the State of Texas to protect the interests of it's citizens, in this regard.





In addition, and not withstanding and completely seperate from my above sentiment:





I would elaborate that some of the specific regulations that are being enforced are merely compliance with the authoritarian mandate of the USDA (who flies the helicopters on the control kills, for instance).





At this point, I will refrain from commenting further in regard to the USDA and the general nature of conduct of the Federal Government and it's relationship to the Local (State) government in terms of public sentiment and consensus, evenmoreso in regard to the Constitution of the United States and the sovereignty of the States of the Union, thereof.








Regards,





Mark

nate
02-14-2009, 11:36 AM
Hey guys, ya'll raise up off of Mark. He's just like all of us. He's no hater and HE DOES NOT work for any Government Agency. I know him personally. He hunts just like the rest of us. I admit that at times he does sound like a college professor, but this dude is cooler than the flip side of your bedroom pillow. Lets get along. We reserve the right to post our opinions and views. Not everyone will agree, however, if you don't dig something someone says; let it go. Handle that thru a pm. Can't let ya'll double up on the guy like that.







Too late for me squirt. Mark has proved what a jerk he is to me. That is my opinion and my view which you stated Ihave the right to post. As far as "letting it go", whenI feel he has stopped attacking hog hunting in general, I'll let up, but as long as opens his big mouth in a slam towards hog hunters, he's fair game.





One more thing, Mark is not like all of us. He has been spewing his garbage from post one and Iam sick of it.