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nate
02-14-2009, 11:46 AM
Roscoe, in regards to your question...





Should there be ANY regulation on the trapping and release of pigs?





Ihave to say yes. Hogs that are trapped should not be relocated to other free range areas. Ithink that hogs, no matter what sex,being sold to buying stations or ranches should be alright. Idon't believe that ranches being banned from buying females is going to have that much of an impact on reducing numbers.

Roscoe
02-15-2009, 07:29 AM
nate (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=nate) wrote...


Roscoe, in regards to your question...





Should there be ANY regulation on the trapping and release of pigs?





Ihave to say yes. Hogs that are trapped should not be relocated to other free range areas. Ithink that hogs, no matter what sex,being sold to buying stations or ranches should be alright. Idon't believe that ranches being banned from buying females is going to have that much of an impact on reducing numbers.



You gotta alot more confidence in the ability to keep hogs fenced in than I do!http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/mrgreen.gifhttp://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/wink.gif




I don't have a problem with "relocating" boars, but don't want to see sows getting released. I just don't think any good can come of that.

nate
02-15-2009, 02:42 PM
Ionce watched a fellow cut out a load of hogs because his area did not have a hog on it. He is currently a buying station.





Now, where should tach point the finger? Trappers are closing their traps because buying stations are not paying anything(the ones that will actually take a hog right now) Wouldn't it make more since for a game to buy so that at the very least, hogs are being sold to a location where they will be killed?





Maybe I'm just off in my thinking but some help is better than no help and if we can't keep a sow behind a fence what makes us think we can keep a boar behind a fence?

Roscoe
02-16-2009, 02:19 AM
nate (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=nate) wrote...


if we can't keep a sow behind a fence what makes us think we can keep a boar behind a fence?



I don't think we can keep either behind a fence if they REALLY don't want to be there. Difference is, I've never cleaned a boar with 9 baby piglets in them before. http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/mrgreen.gif

bratmaker
02-16-2009, 02:40 AM
I've been staying out of this convesation, but here is my 2 cents. For us hog-fevered out of state guys, of course we want to shoot a big boar, butany hog on a ranch is going to get an arrow stuck in it if we get a good shot at it. We love your sport and only get 3-4 days a year. Good luck resolving the hog problem. I sure hope it doesn't end up where our annual trip to TX is not an option anymore!

CODY
02-16-2009, 04:50 AM
I've been watching this thread too, but have now decided to put my opinion out there as well. I'm with Nate on this, i don't think there is a problem with both boars and sows being bought then placed in game ranches. Let me put it like this,would you rather see all of those sows in a game proof fence and reproduce witha small chance of gettingout if any at all.Or,would you wantthe wild sows thatcould of been in a game ranchto just further increase the populationby being free range and still reproducing. Most game ranches probably drive there fences daily so if there was a problem it would get fixed fast anyways. I've hunted game ranches before and normally there's always a road right along the fence for just that reason. So,I don't see them getting out often at all or not many if any.





As far as that video goes posted by Mark.http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/thumbdown.gifThat farmer at the end is probably one of those guys who never gave accessfor hunting or trapping or wanted you to pay himto hunt them when they got bad enough he needed themgone. Some of those farmers complain but wouldn't dare letyou hunt or trap on there land,I've seen it before. There waiting for the goverment to take care ofthere hog problem for themI guess. Giving a guy access to huntand trap won't totally solve the problem but it can make it better. So if there problem withhogswas thatbad they'd take whatever help they could get.





That's myopinion and I stickin to it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/wall.gifhttp://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Roscoe
02-16-2009, 12:02 PM
CODY (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=CODY) wrote...


Or,would you wantthe wild sows thatcould of been in a game ranchto just further increase the populationby being free range and still reproducing.



Unless there is a different method you guys use for trapping sows than boars, I'm going to assume that it's the pigsthat determine who ends up in the trap. So my choice would be that rather than you turning the sows loose, that you either give them to a needy family or a needy coyote/buzzard. http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/mrgreen.gif







You guys may be right about the lack of realistic escape chances on game ranches. I have virtually no experience in that arena.





I don't mean to ruffle feathers here, but here is my take on the hog population in the state of Texas over the last 25yrs. I have been in sales, consulting, and distribution ALLover the eastern half of the state since the early 80's. I talk hunting everywhere I go. 25yrs ago,virtually nobody talked about having hogs, seeing hogs, or hunting hogs. Far NE Texas was about the only area that I had any folks really talk about hogs at all. IMO, I don't think hogs coulda made near the progress they have made to over-populating the state w/o the help of trapping and releasing. Now I know none of you guys are advocating the release of hogs on free range land, nor havelikely done so..... If ya have, then shame on you. What I'm saying is, Ithink you guysneed to understand some of the sentiment around trapping hogs when many folks see "some of you guys"as a big part of the problem to begin with. Am I making any sense at all? http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/smile.gif





All that said, I feel like something has got to be done to make it where trapping is a profitable venture again. Either that ora bunch of us folks with hogs are just gonna have to get used to the idea of trapping our own, killing them, and letting them lay. I don't think there is any other way to keep up with'em. The hunting most of us can do, will not come close to getting it done.

CODY
02-16-2009, 12:25 PM
I've never trapped a hog in my life. I personally have no use for a hog in a trap. I don't need the meat and i don't like leaving anything dead that Icould be eating. I would rather hunt the hog and then ofcourse then I'd eat one I hunted. The problem is most of the guys that used to trap hogs and sell them for game ranchesaren't now. There isn'tenough incentive.





Simple, people aren't trappingbecause they aren't making the money theyonce were.

Roscoe
02-16-2009, 12:35 PM
CODY (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=CODY) wrote...


i don't like leaving anything dead that Icould be eating. I would rather hunt the hog and then ofcourse then I'd eat one I hunted.



I hear ya. I shot (4) 75-100lb boars one afternoon last spring. I processed one myself and gave the other 3 away. Outside of big stinky boars like the one in my avatar, I have a "mental" problem with killing pigs I'm not gonna eat or give away. It's just the way I was raised.







But folks likeme gotta get over that!!!! With the mounting pig problem, I'm not sure pigs should ever be allowed a pass if a reasonable shot presents itself.

CODY
02-16-2009, 12:59 PM
That's right Roscoe, there's always someone who will take a hog or a deer. I shot way more game each year than I can keep up with. I know several people that are just a call away when I have more than I can handle. If a place has them bad enough and far more than you can control or causing damage then by all means kill and eat what you can and leave the rest. I've never hunted a place with hgos so thick that they were a huge nuisance and most places I hunt are in the farm countrynorth ofAbilene. Luckily they aren't to bad in most of that area yet. Belive it or not some areas near the Abileneareadon't have hogs yet.

Roscoe
02-16-2009, 01:04 PM
I hunted for a long time south of Abilene near Novice. We didn't have them there until one of the landowners decided to introduced some piggies imported from the Waco area.http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/mrgreen.gif

CODY
02-16-2009, 01:28 PM
I deer and turkey hunted two different places near Lawn which is just North of Novice. Both of those placeshad zero hogs on them 8-10 years ago. I also deerhunted near Coleman 10-12years agoand it didn't have hogs either. They probably have them now. Most of the better hog hunting near Abilene I've done was north of I-20.

nate
02-16-2009, 10:05 PM
Ok Roscoe, you say you have been over the whole eastern half of the stste and back in the 80's no one talked about hogs. Ifind that odd as my step dad and his family were running hog dogs on horse back in Saratoga in the 40's 50's and 60's. Ican't tell you how many stories Ihave heard of the sowing up dogs in the field that had their guts cut out.





This is where the term"piney woods rooter"came from. The piney wood rooter was actually a domsetic gone wild since at that time there were no livestock laws to speak of and those folks let there hogs raise on free range country. When they wanted a hog to eat or sell, they would go catch one, feed it out, and butcher it or go to sell with it.





The domestics soon started breeding with the european hogs that settlers brought with them from over seas. Thus, the "feral hog"as we know it today was born and has been spreading over Texas and abroad. Now if you dug a little deeper, you would find that a few of the big name ranches in Texas back in the 80's bought several loads of pure euro's from up north. Euro's are what most folks call russians.





They brought the hogs to Texas, opened the gates and let them go in hopes to let nature take its course and have a better looking hybrid hog. These hogs will have big shoulders, narrow hind ends and a mane that will run from the ears to the tail almost.





Irealize you are educated in what you do but Ialso see there is a limit to your knowledge. You say you never cleaned a boar with 9 piglets in him....What's your point? What does that have to do with a sow being in the free range, at a buying station, or behind a fence?





By the way, my feathers aren't ruffled,Ijust want to know where you are going with this topic.http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/dance.gif

Roscoe
02-17-2009, 12:36 AM
nate (http://www.texashoghunter.com/profile.php?user=nate) wrote...


Ok Roscoe, you say you have been over the whole eastern half of the stste and back in the 80's no one talked about hogs. Ifind that odd as my step dad and his family were running hog dogs on horse back in Saratoga in the 40's 50's and 60's. Ican't tell you how many stories Ihave heard of the sowing up dogs in the field that had their guts cut out.





This is where the term"piney woods rooter"came from. The piney wood rooter was actually a domsetic gone wild since at that time there were no livestock laws to speak of and those folks let there hogs raise on free range country. When they wanted a hog to eat or sell, they would go catch one, feed it out, and butcher it or go to sell with it.





The domestics soon started breeding with the european hogs that settlers brought with them from over seas. Thus, the "feral hog"as we know it today was born and has been spreading over Texas and abroad. Now if you dug a little deeper, you would find that a few of the big name ranches in Texas back in the 80's bought several loads of pure euro's from up north. Euro's are what most folks call russians.





They brought the hogs to Texas, opened the gates and let them go in hopes to let nature take its course and have a better looking hybrid hog. These hogs will have big shoulders, narrow hind ends and a mane that will run from the ears to the tail almost.





Irealize you are educated in what you do but Ialso see there is a limit to your knowledge. You say you never cleaned a boar with 9 piglets in him....What's your point? What does that have to do with a sow being in the free range, at a buying station, or behind a fence?





By the way, my feathers aren't ruffled,Ijust want to know where you are going with this topic.http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/dance.gif



Believe it or not, I'm actually aware of alot of that. There have been quiet a few articles written on the history of the pig problem in that state in the last few years as it has spiraled out of control.





Now, Ididn't say that there were not hogs in different parts of the state 25yrs ago. What I said is that virtually no one was talking about hogs 25yrs ago. Hogs were not even on the radar as a nuisance animal 25yrs ago.




As to the point about sows and boars, come on Nate,you're just playing with me on this one. Turn 10 boars loose in an area with no hogs, and what do you have?...10 boars. And, in few years you got none from the mortality rate. Add just one or two sows to that group and what do you have?...Alikely sustainable hog population. To suggest that there iszero added risk to turning sows loose, is just not realistic.





As to where I'm "going" with this? I stated it at the start...what kinda regs, if any, do you guys think need to be in place? I already know what tahc thinks. What I'm interested in is what do the folks effected by the laws think. Is there any compromise to be reached?





No hidden agenda in my question Nate.http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/mrgreen.gif

nate
02-17-2009, 01:40 PM
[quote]As to the point about sows and boars, come on Nate,you're just playing with me on this one. Turn 10 boars loose in an area with no hogs, and what do you have?...10 boars. And, in few years you got none from the mortality rate. Add just one or two sows to that group and what do you have?...Alikely sustainable hog population. To suggest that there iszero added risk to turning sows loose, is just not realistic.[quote]








Your not reading my post. Ididn't say anything about turning sows loose. Isaid let the game ranches buy them. There is a difference. Also, there is just as much a chance from a sow escaping a buying station as ther is a sow escaping a game ranch. All tach did was blow a bunch of smoke. They didn't do anything to reduce the population with the new regs. If anything, they are helping to make it worse.








I feel like a broken record here, but I'll say it one more time. Allow game ranches to buy all hogs. This will help drive the prices up(I believe) so buying stations will up their price. This will motivate trappers everywhere. There is already a good supply of hunters and with more hogs to choose from, hunters will most likely come back often. If a ranch is limited and ends up shutting down, where is the benefit to that?

Roscoe
02-17-2009, 01:59 PM
Thanks for the replies Nate.http://texashoghunter.com/images/images/forum/emoticons/angel.gif